Comments on: Batman Begins: A D&D perspective http://dav.sadowl.com/archives/5/ Now with 54% more statistics. Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:27:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe http://dav.sadowl.com/archives/5/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Joe Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:26:27 +0000 http://dav.rivercityransomtactics.com/?p=5#comment-9 I haven't seen Batman Begins yet. Your spoilers ruined the movie and also ruined D&D. I haven’t seen Batman Begins yet. Your spoilers ruined the movie and also ruined D&D.

]]> By: Michael Terry http://dav.sadowl.com/archives/5/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Michael Terry Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:26:25 +0000 http://dav.rivercityransomtactics.com/?p=5#comment-7 Whoops, I didn't read far enough. The Wikipedia page notes: "In the film, the agenda of Ra's al Ghul's organization differs slightly from that of the comic book version. In the film, Ra's explains that the League of Shadows is an ancient group dedicated to preserving what it perceives as justice, by violent means as necessary (up to the killing of an entire city)." So, Wikipedia confirms that in the movie he does want justice... But his actions don't really coincide with that I feel. It's not clear that his charactarization of Gotham as Evil is accurate. Whoops, I didn’t read far enough. The Wikipedia page notes: “In the film, the agenda of Ra’s al Ghul’s organization differs slightly from that of the comic book version. In the film, Ra’s explains that the League of Shadows is an ancient group dedicated to preserving what it perceives as justice, by violent means as necessary (up to the killing of an entire city).”

So, Wikipedia confirms that in the movie he does want justice… But his actions don’t really coincide with that I feel. It’s not clear that his charactarization of Gotham as Evil is accurate.

]]> By: Michael Terry http://dav.sadowl.com/archives/5/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Michael Terry Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:22:40 +0000 http://dav.rivercityransomtactics.com/?p=5#comment-6 Hmmm... Well, Wikipedia says that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra's_Al_Ghul" rel="nofollow">Ra's al Ghul</a> is an ecoterrorist in the comics who want to destroy most of humanity to stop their ecological destruction. That would fit well with destroying cities. In that case, I don't think he would qualify as Lawful. I'll admit he didn't really seem portrayed as such in the movie. But there was stuff about him that they didn't explain that seems to come from the comics (longevity mainly). So, I'm inclined to think they tried to stick with his comic origins. Maybe he used the talk of justice as a ruse to get Wayne to help him? Maybe they changed his motives for the movie? He didn't explain very well what he wanted, besides to destroy Gotham. I maintain that releasing criminals and intentionally destabilizing a city's economics are Chaotic actions. Hmmm… Well, Wikipedia says that Ra’s al Ghul is an ecoterrorist in the comics who want to destroy most of humanity to stop their ecological destruction. That would fit well with destroying cities. In that case, I don’t think he would qualify as Lawful.

I’ll admit he didn’t really seem portrayed as such in the movie. But there was stuff about him that they didn’t explain that seems to come from the comics (longevity mainly). So, I’m inclined to think they tried to stick with his comic origins.

Maybe he used the talk of justice as a ruse to get Wayne to help him? Maybe they changed his motives for the movie? He didn’t explain very well what he wanted, besides to destroy Gotham.

I maintain that releasing criminals and intentionally destabilizing a city’s economics are Chaotic actions.

]]> By: Dav http://dav.sadowl.com/archives/5/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Dav Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:57:57 +0000 http://dav.rivercityransomtactics.com/?p=5#comment-5 They seemed pretty anti-criminal. Like how they wanted Bruce to slay that petty thief they caught. And I thought they wanted to destroy Gotham because it had gotten too corrupt for them to save. They seemed pretty anti-criminal. Like how they wanted Bruce to slay that petty thief they caught. And I thought they wanted to destroy Gotham because it had gotten too corrupt for them to save.

]]> By: Michael Terry http://dav.sadowl.com/archives/5/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Michael Terry Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:49:12 +0000 http://dav.rivercityransomtactics.com/?p=5#comment-4 Did Ra's Al Ghul really have the same goal as Batman? I thought he just had determined that humanity had gotten too full of itself in some ineffable way. I mean, he didn't rid the world of criminals at all. Wasn't his plan to fill Gotham with criminals so that it would crumble? He just wanted to destroy big metropolises. He tried to destroy the city by disrupting its economic flow and by filling it with crime. Sounds more like a Chaotic to me? I don't know. These things are confusing. Did Ra’s Al Ghul really have the same goal as Batman? I thought he just had determined that humanity had gotten too full of itself in some ineffable way.

I mean, he didn’t rid the world of criminals at all. Wasn’t his plan to fill Gotham with criminals so that it would crumble? He just wanted to destroy big metropolises.

He tried to destroy the city by disrupting its economic flow and by filling it with crime. Sounds more like a Chaotic to me? I don’t know. These things are confusing.

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